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8 years 6 months ago - 8 years 6 months ago #1515 by ummelias_1
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as salaaamu alaikum Bro Moosa


I was told by a sister in an email Quote "we are not supposed to say "Allah and His Messenger know best" . The Sahabah said that when the Prophet (sallallahu alayhe wa sallam) was alive, but after his death, we are simply supposed to say "Allah knows best". end of quote

Is what she said correct? if it is correct where can I find the daleel for this statement...

...baraakallahu feekum

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8 years 6 months ago - 8 years 6 months ago #1516 by moosaa.richardson
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wa 'alaykumus-salāmu wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuh.

The sister who advised you has spoken as the majority of the scholars that I know who mentioned this issue spoke, wal-hamdulillaah. (Let's thank Allaah for having good advisors around us!)

The Permanent Council of Scholars in Saudi Arabia have stated that "Allaah and His Messenger know best" was said during his lifetime, and that "Allaah knows best" is to be said after his death (ṣallallāhu alayhe wa sallam)...

...Because the Messenger (ṣallallāhu alayhe wa sallam) is not aware of what is happening after his death."

This was signed by Shaykh Ibn Bāz, Shaykh Abdullāh ibn Ghudayaan, and Shaykh 'Abdur-Razzaaq 'Afeefee (may Allaah have Mercy on them). (1)

In addition, Shaykh Ṣāliḥ al-Fowzaan, Shaykh Bakr Abū Zayd, and Shaykh Abdullāh ibn Jibreen, all of them, mentioned that saying "Allaah and His Messenger know best" was for his lifetime, and that after his death (ṣallallāhu alayhe wa sallam), "Allaah knows best" is to be used. (2)

However, some scholars allowed saying "Allaah and His Messenger know best" after his death (ṣallallāhu alayhe wa sallam), like Shaykh Ibn 'Uthaymīn and some of the explainers of Kitaab at-Tawḥīd, relying on a passage from the Nooniyyah of Ibn al-Qayyim:

والله أعلم بالمراد بقوله -- ورسوله المبعوث بالفرقان
"And Allaah knows best about the intending meaning of his words, and His Messenger, the one sent with the Furqaan (the Qur'aan)."

Shaykh Ibn 'Uthaymīn mentioned that this may only be said in issues related to the knowledge given to Him from Allaah, not things specific to the unseen that only Allaah knows. Like: Is it going to rain? Only Allaah knows. And: What is the ruling on fasting on the 'Eed days? Allaah and His Messenger know best. (3)

However, it seems much safer and more correct to stick to what the other scholars mentioned, especially when it is unfounded that any of the Companions used the phrase "Allaah and His Messenger know best" after his death (ṣallallāhu alayhe wa sallam), but you find them and the scholars after them commonly saying, "Allaah knows best." (4)

This is very important especially when we live in a time when certain Soofee sects are calling to the idea that the Messenger (ṣallallāhu alayhe wa sallam) is alive and aware of what is happening to us, and hears our calls, and can help us, etc. They commonly say, "Allaah and His Messenger know best" because some of them believe that he knows the unseen, just as Allaah knows it. This is sheer falsehood, rejected by many Qur'aanic verses, and it is in fact shirk to believe this, equating the Knowledge of Allaah with the knowledge of some of His Creation!

However, we should not believe that the few scholars from Ahl al-Sunnah that allow it have anything to do with what the deviant soofees intend when they use it.

And Allaah knows best.


Endnotes:

(1) Fataawee al-Lajnah ad-Daa'imah (2/163)

(2) Refer to: I'aanat al-Mustafeed (1/44), Mu'jam al-Manaahee al-Lafthiyyah (p.128), and Ibn Jibreen's notes to Ibn al-Qaasim's commentary on Kitaab at-Tawḥīd.

(3) al-Qowl al-Mufeed (1/57), see also: Mu'jam al-Manaahee al-Lafthiyyah (p.128), and this link to Shaykh Ibn Bāz's explanation of some scholars' usage:
www.binbaz.org.sa/mat/10659

(4) As stated by Shaykh Bakr Abū Zayd in Mu'jam al-Manaahee (p.128).
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jazakaallahu khairan

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